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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:05 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Steve, unfortunately I can't get hold of 4wd rear springs.


We never got them in Australia so Honda wouldn't stock them here either. But when i commented before i meant that you would re-use your springs, and just put in new shocks. Why did you want to replace the springs?
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I suspect that the springs are not original EE5 springs or they have been shortened. That's what an average chav (like the previous owner) would've done Wink. If the springs are OEM, they must be a bit tired because of non-working shocks. Well, I don't know until I fit decent shocks. I'll need to get the rust removed at first.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chav?

I seem to have spent too much time on UK forums... Razz
Definition of chav: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/chav
Chavs usually have slammed cars with tacky body kits, etc. By some definition, I'm a bit chavvy too Laughing.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I suspect that the springs are not original EE5 springs or they have been shortened. That's what an average chav (like the previous owner) would've done Wink. If the springs are OEM, they must be a bit tired because of non-working shocks. Well, I don't know until I fit decent shocks. I'll need to get the rust removed at first.


Ah bugger! You could try finding a set of OEM 4wd wagon springs, that's probably your best bet.

Or.. I've heard DA Integra springs are taller, perhaps you could get those and cut them to the height you're after.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's still alive! The EE5 sailed through safety and emissions inspection yesterday. TBH, we needed to do some cutting and welding to make the underbody pass the test.

Some new metal...


A piece of steel sheet bent to right form:


That new piece is going here:


It seems to fit...


Almost done


Some fine tuning


Ready to be painted with Bilt Hamber Hydrate 80 rust converter




Front left corner, the front wing is also badly corroded:


There more places that needed fixing but I have no photos of them. We fixed the front inner fenders but couldn't be arsed to fix the rear inner fenders. The left rear fender is a bit risky spot because of the fuel tank. A friend of mine did the welding and I painted and undersealed everything. I have no photos of the finished product because we were running out of time. All those rusty areas were under the rust preventative that was applied for around 20 years ago. After the welding, I applied some Hydrate 80 and let it dry for 24 hours. Then I sprayed some Dinitrol ML into all the water removal holes and Dinitrol Super Protect 447 to all the exposed areas. I also liberally applied Hydrate 80 to all the corroded bits on the paintjob so my car looks quite funny with blue/black spots on it Laughing. I still need to fix that left front fender.

This bushing seems to be toast and needs to be changed at some point:


The rear inner fenders could really do with some TLC. This is the bad (left) fender:


Right rear inner fender isn't much better...


Well, now I can play with the car for winter. Let's see if there's anything left of it after that. It's never going to be a show car, that's for sure. I'm trying to find better doors and front + rear arches for it but it's not going to be easy as many of the EF bodied cars are in even worse shape. I'm definitely going to have fun on icetrack, though. Very Happy I don't have to be worried if drive through snow banks.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff!! Glad to see it's still getting around.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little bit of 4wd fun. Sorry about the sound quality. I took the wrong camera mount with me and I couldn't use the waterproof camera case... No incar videos at this time.

A WRX STI can't get rid of me Very Happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7DEtEQEQc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjlbzlyUng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5HFXDNi0cc

I have crappy Chinese studded tyres and I completely lost traction when we started driving clockwise. There were a couple of places where I avoided risks.

A bit after overtaking the spinned WRX when driving to a bump sideways, my exhaust touched the prop shaft so I had to retire... Actually, the same happened a lap before but it wasn't that bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdMhOySYdtg
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn what a big weather influence got your sedan..
Nice welding work man! Sweet S2000!
and funny snow drifting movies around the work buildings Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr.$ed@n$ki wrote:
Damn what a big weather influence got your sedan..
Nice welding work man! Sweet S2000!
and funny snow drifting movies around the work buildings Laughing

Thanks mate. They use lots of road salt in Southern Finland in wintertime so most of old cars, that haven't been anti-rust threated often, are in bad shape. Actually, the most of Finnish 4th gen Civics are scrapped because of extensive rust damage.

I have a "new" offside front wing that I bought from a friendly Honda enthusiast. I just had to pay for shipping Very Happy. It's almost rust free. I grinded and sealed the surface today and I'm thinking of painting the wing. It's white so I could also let it be white. If I'm going to paint it it's going to be a rattle can job. I'm not sure whether it's worth it. After all, I'm trying to minimize the costs and my EE5 isn't a beauty anyway Laughing

The local icetrack will open soon so I'm likely to upload more videos in the next couple of weeks. The lake is frozen and ice should be strong enough in a week or so. The speedway guys already started their season at December 27th. After that we had a few days of plus degrees Celsius. It will be -25 degrees Celsius tomorrow Shocked.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn that's very cold dude brrr..
Here in the netherlands is not really winter,
like it was back in the days,
perfect for me and my cars, cause we don't like it! Razz

I'm curious about that wing you've said, any pictures?
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Lotta work going on on this thing.. WOW!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I was supposed to write front fender. I blame the single seater Nürburgring on snow video I watched before typing the message. Anyway, I painted the fender yesterday with Hydrate 80 and I applied Dinitrol 4941 to the inner face today. My new fender should last a lot longer than the rest of the car. Razz All I need is to remove the old rusty fender and bolt on the new one. I have no time to do it before next Tuesday.

I should replace the shocks and springs as the shocks are completely dead. No finances to do it at the moment as the Bilstein shock absorbers cost more than €100 each. All the bushings will be replaced at some point too. I'll have to find out their cost and if the OEM bushings are even available anymore. Bolt-on rear arches would be the easiest way to get rid of rusty rear arches.

With the current look I enjoy even more when smoking most of other cars on traffic lights. There are not many cars that can beat a lightweight 4WD car on icy/snowy road. I wish that there will be 3 EE5s and an EE4 on HCoF icetrack days in March. You can't see that many 4th gen 4WD Civics anywhere else at once.

PS. Icetrack opening at the coming weekend! car
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha very nice feeling ain't it when you see them in your mirror!
I want a 4wd too!  Cool
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Icetrack season opened! The track was in bad condition and the banks were hard as rock at some places but I driving on ice was good fun. I felt bad for the car, though. There were horrible grooves on a couple of corners. The rear suspension arm of a Nissan Laurel snapped when a friend of mine slid sideways across those tracks. I captured incar videos at this time as I forgot the other camera at home.

I tried not to slide too much when going counter-clockwise. You can see the difference between ice spikes and worn out low-quality studded tyres ,with less than half of the studs left, on the last lap after I let the race Sierra past. We're quite equal everywhere else but the tight bends. BTW. All the cars that overtook me had racing spikes Cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esDr-ETdDxU

Second stint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HZQl9l3_yU

I took much wider lines when going clockwise after the plough smoothed the track slightly Very Happy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxb8oAYJ90k

Sadly, I had to retire once again after severe exhaust to prop shaft contact... Crying or Very sad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir2cvcE7J04
I really need to get "Rotisko" on a hoist and weld some more exhaust attachment points. New exhaust would be even better as the old one has been patched several times. Do you guys know whether there are any differences between FWD and 4WD exhausts? At least the rear subframes are different.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice man, i like that ice track, wanna join too! lol
Next time better place your cam lower,
didn't see much of the track,
almost only snow on the ground because of the camera angle..

Don't know if there are differents in the exhaust,
FWD or 4WD, Never had a 4WD unfortunately Sad
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You're welcome to join mr.$ed@an$ki! Cool I would've put the camera lower but it was placed as low as possible when mounted on the sunroof. It's the only way to get proper incar footage. Placing the camera more on the right would be more ideal. I'll mount the camera outside on the sunroof next time. There is just snow and ice everywhere as we're driving on a lake Razz. The track is quite hard to see on camera because it's quite dark outside, plus it's windy and it snows a bit.

PS. Check the epic error correction on video #3 at 2:22. Spinning was out of the question Smile. car
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K3Nguru wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdMhOySYdtg


@3:05 did that guy have a death wish?? Shiiet

K3Nguru wrote:
After that we had a few days of plus degrees Celsius. It will be -25 degrees Celsius tomorrow Shocked.


It's currently 37*C here in Brisbane  Shocked

K3Nguru wrote:
Do you guys know whether there are any differences between FWD and 4WD exhausts? At least the rear subframes are different.


Yeah the 4wd exhaust is much different. the FWD one does not route correctly under the rear subframe, so it cant be mounted.

I've got a skidpan day coming up tomorrow, if all goes well i'll have some 4wd skid footage to share too Razz
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I found an EE5 with DOHC (D16A9) engine and turbo (0.5 bar) and I'm thinking of buying it. I'd struggle registering it as the A9 engine doesn't come with the catalytic converter and turbos are not allowed in low emissions vehicles in Finland. Laughing

The sills are gone but otherwise it should be in better condition than 'Rotisko'. It has also been repainted white 4 years ago. The doors and arches should be fine.
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I found an EE5 with DOHC (D16A9) engine and turbo (0.5 bar) and I'm thinking of buying it. I'd struggle registering it as the A9 engine doesn't come with the catalytic converter and turbos are not allowed in low emissions vehicles in Finland. Laughing

The sills are gone but otherwise it should be in better condition than 'Rotisko'. It has also been repainted white 4 years ago. The doors and arches should be fine.



Sounds cool! Any pics?
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Sorry, no pics of the turbo'd Civic at the moment as it's not mine - yet Cool.

I spent last weekend on ice and it was a good fun.
The weather wasn't that good on Saturday with +1 degrees Celsius and snowing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG8Navs11Q4
The weather was gorgeous on Sunday! Temperature was around -10 degrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFO7DP1xgWA
The track was in quite bad state at this point. The tracks were deep in places and it caused troubles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp8U1KZ3gy4
I have plenty of videos but I'm not going to make you anymore bored Very Happy. All the other cars were using race spikes. I was considerably slower with my old studded tyres with hardly any studs left. I enjoyed drifting but the front end could have done with more grip.
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It's still alive! I invested on new studded road tyres and did some welding. No photos of the progress and result but it looks even more ratty than before. I changed the front quarter panel to white one as the old one was too rusty. We also hammered and welded the badly dented rear quarter panel with a friend of mine. I didn't want it to look smooth so I did no smoothing and sprayed it with black underbody coating Razz. I also applied rust converter with paintbrush here and there.

Sunday was a perfect way to start the icetrack season at temperature of -25 degrees Celsius Very Happy. More videos to come on request but I decided to upload this footage taken (before 4 PM) more than an hour after the sunset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KZsoeeWzxQ. Tomorrow will also be icetrack day. Temperature will be a bit nippy (-29 degrees) but at least our crew won't suffer from overheating issues.
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It's still alive! I invested on new studded road tyres and did some welding. No photos of the progress and result but it looks even more ratty than before. I changed the front quarter panel to white one as the old one was too rusty. We also hammered and welded the badly dented rear quarter panel with a friend of mine. I didn't want it to look smooth so I did no smoothing and sprayed it with black underbody coating Razz. I also applied rust converter with paintbrush here and there.

Sunday was a perfect way to start the icetrack season at temperature of -25 degrees Celsius Very Happy. More videos to come on request but I decided to upload this footage taken (before 4 PM) more than an hour after the sunset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KZsoeeWzxQ. Tomorrow will also be icetrack day. Temperature will be a bit nippy (-29 degrees) but at least our crew won't suffer from overheating issues.


Wow nice video bro, really like the 4wd steering/drifting on snow!  Cool
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Sick vid, glad it's still going  Cool
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Thanks guys! I should have some 4k in-car video from Saturday but I haven't even seen them yet.

Yesterday morning was about the coldest weather I have ever driven a car. The temperature was sub -35 degrees Celsius. My car worked as it should even if it was quite stiff. The power steering doesn't work when the car is cold so you'll have to use some force to turn the steering wheel. I have a block heater (+ indoor heater) so luckily the car was pre-heated. However, I cold started the poor Civic after eight hours of work at temperature of -30 degrees. It started surprisingly well considering the circumstances, thanks to my >55 Ah battery (I don't remember the excact capacity). First attempt - no start, it started on the second attempt but quickly stalled. Third start was successful. After that I helped a woman with flat battery. I didn't have jump start leads but I had a rope so we tow-started it.
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Thanks guys! I should have some 4k in-car video from Saturday but I haven't even seen them yet.

Yesterday morning was about the coldest weather I have ever driven a car. The temperature was sub -35 degrees Celsius. My car worked as it should even if it was quite stiff. The power steering doesn't work when the car is cold so you'll have to use some force to turn the steering wheel. I have a block heater (+ indoor heater) so luckily the car was pre-heated. However, I cold started the poor Civic after eight hours of work at temperature of -30 degrees. It started surprisingly well considering the circumstances, thanks to my >55 Ah battery (I don't remember the excact capacity). First attempt - no start, it started on the second attempt but quickly stalled. Third start was successful. After that I helped a woman with flat battery. I didn't have jump start leads but I had a rope so we tow-started it.


Crazy harsh conditions. Meanwhile it's currently 33*C in Brisbane Australia right now, haha.
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Crazy harsh conditions. Meanwhile it's currently 33*C in Brisbane Australia right now, haha.

I'd prefer your conditions right now. I'm fed up with cold weather, -10 degrees C would be fine. Let's swap houses for a few weeks Very Happy. I'd like to see kangaroos and other Australian animals like koala and Tasmanian devil.
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Crazy harsh conditions. Meanwhile it's currently 33*C in Brisbane Australia right now, haha.

I'd prefer your conditions right now. I'm fed up with cold weather, -10 degrees C would be fine. Let's swap houses for a few weeks Very Happy. I'd like to see kangaroos and other Australian animals like koala and Tasmanian devil.


Haha, deal.
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Steve, we'll come in March Laughing.

About my car. At least one conrod bearing failed during icetrack day on Sunday. A friend of mine towed be back home and another friend is going to change the bearings. I wish that the crankshaft is still fine. It still runs fine and it doesn't knock on idle yet. I was lucky as the only set of standard size D16 connecting rod bearings in Finland happened to be at local parts dealer.

I'll upload and link more icetrack videos when I'm not busy.


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