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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Distributor !!! Help!  Reply with quote

Ok so I was told I needed a new distributor to pass smog so I went and got me a new one , when I put on the part, the. Car was running like shit.. It through the check engine light and the motor seemed like it wanted to turn off  and when I tried pressing on the gas the rpms didn't move and when I tried driving it once it hit low rpms the check engine light turned on and it was like a kill switch to my motor it didn't go anywhere  , so I went and got new spark plugs and cables , and it's running better but my check engine light is still on and it stutters at times when I press on the gas ??? Is my timing off?? Idk and yes I put on the cables right I checked plenty of times lol ...  or do I just have to let it settle in ??? Help please
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What code is it throwing?

quadruple check your leads and make sure you have them going to the right cylinders. Ignition timing isn't a huge issue, your car should still idle fine at either adjustment extreme.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn the ignition to the on position

take the negative battery terminal off

wait 10 seconds...

Remove from the ignition

put the negative battery terminal back on

Turn on car...

That's the way to erase a CEL.

Hope this helps, if not then we will take other measures. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So my check engine light is still on , and the CEL doesn't turn on till the car is on for my guess 15 seconds, and still at low rpm the car stutters when I step on the gas , is there an actual way to put on your distributor ? Or is my timing off ?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its ur o2 sensor, check the code number and i bet it will say same thing. ur o2 sensor is messed up reading ur running rich and killin the injectors off.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

89CivicSi wrote:
its ur o2 sensor, check the code number and i bet it will say same thing. ur o2 sensor is messed up reading ur running rich and killin the injectors off.


That definitely can be a factor!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cuz ur o2 is the only thing that tells ur ecu to cut the fuel which will make it stutter, i know becuase i had same issue on my ohter motor. and after spendin the 450, for new dizzy,plugs,wires and what not, it was still doin it. checked ecu and came up o2 sensor, now if its on a aftermarket header, and its not in the stock spot, say u moved it to one of the other o2 bungs, that can be an issue to.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to check that out and it is running rich cause when I turn on the car all I smell is gas , and the motor is completely stock , so that's my best bet huh.. Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, seems like that's exactly the issue. And the car is obd0 unless you changed it to odb1, anyways grab a paper clip, locate a green clip with 2 female connectors side by side, should be somewhere near the ECU or right under to the right of he glove box. put that paper clip in both slots mating them and turn the car to the on position. It should be: Fast blinks counted as 1,2,3,4 ect. and slow blinks count as 10,20,30,40 ect.

I know your smart but im going to make sure you know the sequences

2 slow/long blinks and 5 fast blinks would be code 25
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4 long blinks and 1 fast blink would be code 41 which is your O2 sensor issue I believe.
The long blinks always go first of course.
The blinks will disappear for about 2 seconds, that means that specific code is done and the next one will register with blinks.
but it will always repeat itself so don't get confused!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What ecu is it first, cuz mine gave me codes u had to count, non of that pause an go crap that honda decided to fuck with peoples minds lol but u also don't need to use paper clip to get codes, mine gives them straight to me, an same with the b2 ecu
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What ecu is it first, cuz mine gave me codes u had to count, non of that pause an go crap that honda decided to fuck with peoples minds lol but u also don't need to use paper clip to get codes, mine gives them straight to me, an same with the b2 ecu



Please explain how this is!!! lol
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i turn  key to on with nothin on(stereo,lights,ect)remove carpet from passenger side footboard and count the lights, say it blinks 15 times its code 15, and that a b2 obd0 ecu, same with my pm6 si ecu, iv never had to use a paper clip to jump wires to get my codes.
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Well before I checked the code I went off and got a new o2 sensor and i installed it and still  nothing , so i did the test and it was the new distributor it was shooting a code 3 or 4 idk I forgot . All that for nothing lol oh well I just did a  tune up =)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hows ur dizzy makin u bog tho?? whats the condition of it inside the cap, where the coil and what not is??
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok OP do u have a helms or haynes, cuz before u went out an bought a bunch of stuff u probably needed anyways. we said to check the ecu for codes, code 3 is ur MAP sensor, check and make sure its plugged in and has the vac lines on it correctly. thats what ur issue is dont start ur car till u have that fixed or u will be buyin new plugs. with the MAP sensor bein screwed up or not plugged in, 3 mins of run time is enough to foul all ur plugs. aske me how i know this haha
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I took the car to my cousin he's a mechanic and he had the Adapter thing and it said it was from the distributor and I saw it myself also , I just forgot what was the code, but I feel the car run a lot better even tho it feels shitty at the same time cant wait till I get it fixed ....
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

go look at MAP SENSOR!!!!!! i can not stress how much shit can get fucked up from that not bein plugged in and workin correctly, but hey its ur motor lol and there is nothin u plug into a obd0 ecu to get codes it has a code reader built in called the red light, i can tell u this right now the only way to get codes from a obd0 honda is the ecu itself and nothin has to be plugged in to get the codes but ur key, ive gone thru this with 2 motors now both are obd0, and only motors u plug into to get codes are obd1-obd2a, and obd2b thats it. if u would just listen for 1 min u can be drivnin ur car nice and smoothly. go look at ur MAP SENSOR, and make sure it has both(2) plugs into it, and should have 2 vac lines(1 leading to charcoal canister, other to intake mani). and if it is plugged in and still doin it, go to junk yard pay the 2$ fee and pocket a damn map and try that one.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

89CivicSi wrote:
its ur o2 sensor, check the code number and i bet it will say same thing. ur o2 sensor is messed up reading ur running rich and killin the injectors off.


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go look at MAP SENSOR!!!!!! i can not stress how much shit can get fucked up from that not bein plugged in and workin correctly,


I like your enthusiasm, but man stop suggesting things which are based on nothing really. I'm assuming this happened to you once? Doesn't mean that everyone else is going to have the same issues.

It's not going to be your 02 sensor, the 02 sensor DOESNT cause issues, it's designed to let you know when your exhaust content is outside of specification due to OTHER issues, it's just a reader.

The map sensor will cause the car to run rich if the vacuum line is damaged or disconnected. However you will be throwing an 02 sensor code if the car is running rich, or a map sensor code if it's disconnected. You said yourself you're not throwing an 02 sensor code.

It sounds like your timing is off or the distributor is faulty/incorrect, however the best way to diagnose the issue is by finding out what code you're throwing. With that code you can refer to a workshop manual and go through step by step in order to properly diagnose the issue. Atleast then you're not wasting money fixing things that aren't broken.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

89civicsi I know your trying to help but he might not be having the same problems. And I agree you need to get a manual, so just take a couple hours calm down and check everything over with help of a manual. And you could be running nicely Cool
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It's not going to be your 02 sensor, the 02 sensor DOESNT cause issues, it's designed to let you know when your exhaust content is outside of specification due to OTHER issues, it's just a reader.

The map sensor will cause the car to run rich if the vacuum line is damaged or disconnected. However you will be throwing an 02 sensor code if the car is running rich, or a map sensor code if it's disconnected. You said yourself you're not throwing an 02 sensor code.

ok go out start ur car and unplug ur map lets see what she does. an no this has happened numerous times so i do know what im talkin about. an o2 sensor reads the fuel content in the exhuast and adjusts it, ask me how i know this!! father works for honda and is sayin same shit. a dizzy is all bout spark and time. hes had same issues come thru his work and of course everyone assumed same u did but its whatever dont listen to someone with exp. in this area. but im done with my 2 cents op good luck
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ok go out start ur car and unplug ur map lets see what she does.


I've already established what the map sensor will do.

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an no this has happened numerous times so i do know what im talkin about. an o2 sensor reads the fuel content in the exhuast and adjusts it, ask me how i know this!! father works for honda and is sayin same shit. a dizzy is all bout spark and time. hes had same issues come thru his work and of course everyone assumed same u did but its whatever dont listen to someone with exp. in this area. but im done with my 2 cents op good luck


OP swapped his distributor and now the car is running poorly. You think it's the 02 sensor, even though it's not throwing a code for the 02 sensor. He's even swapped the 02 sensor on your recommendation. You're trying to solve the problem, but don't have enough facts to come to a conclusion. Congrats on trying to help, but all you've done is mislead the OP.

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its ur o2 sensor, check the code number and i bet it will say same thing. ur o2 sensor is messed up reading ur running rich and killin the injectors off.


How can the car be running rich if the 02 sensor is adjusting the fuel injectors as you claim?

By all means OP, go and replace your sensors like 89CivicSi is suggesting you do, but there's a greater likelyhood that the issue isn't with the sensor and you'll be wasting money until you correctly diagnose the problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

first i said to check for codes before i said to replace shit, so someone needs to get his facts straight. second i said it could be the o2 sensor, becuase it does adjust ur shit by tellin ur ecu that u are runnin lean or rich, 3 i also said it can be his MAP sensor, and if u are aware of what a MAP sensor can do than u know it will cause the car to run like shit and BOG OUT!! now as the OP STATED he had the codes PULLED and code a CODE 3 or 4 becuase he couldnt REMEMBER!! now if u know ur codes CODE 3 is ur MAP sensor. and what u established the MAP sensor will do is wrong your talkin bout if u unplug a vac line, now if i have too il go buy a set of plugs and unplug my map to show u exactly what it does when unplugged and non working.and ur o2 can go out without sendin a code because it has happened to me and a buddy of mine. so ~Sp33~ u need to do some reading up on MAP sensors and o2 sensors to understand what thier proper function is, because i obviously have more knowledge of that than u!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O2 sensor as stated determines ur lean rich conditions and sends to ecu!!!
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89CivicSi wrote:
because i obviously have more knowledge of that than u!


Haha, that must be the case.

G.L. with your problem OP, hope you get it diagnosed correctly soon.
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On this whole o2 sensor deal, honda uses an open loop system.. the o2 sensor doesnt meter fuel, nor does the map sensor. It just measures the level of oxygen in your exhaust gases, if the level is too low, or too high, it turns the light on to tell you you need to fix some shit. the map sensor just detects for major vacuum leaks between the throttle body butterfly, and the flange at the head. if it detects too low vacuum, it lets you know. the only thing that's going to meter your fuel, is: A. your tps, or B. your fuel pressure regulator.


as far as your distributor issue, OP, check to see if any of the lugs in your distributor plug are bent, or loose, or out of the plug, or backed out, check and see if the ground underneath the coil is screwed in, and check to see if the two wires going to the coil are securely fastened.

get the codes, and i'm sure we can help you resolve your issue.
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Well thanks guys, appreciated all your help and it was my new distributor it was messed up lol so pretty much I just did a tune up no biggie I needed it anyway, I just swapped the new distributor for the old one,  and check engine went away. =) and was running better than before,   fucken mechanic doesn't know shit probably just wanted to make money off  me. Hard to find a decent mechanic now a days -_- . Well if I pass smog now witch i see why I wouldn't I'm gonna rip that guy a new ass hole.!!!!
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And again thanks learned a lot.  From this,  

Never fuck with a marine and that mechanic is gonna find out why the hard way lol
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Good isuues fixed!!!! and some people can stop arguing! Smile  I think we all need to calm down and not get frustrated with eachother, cause it seems this topic was getting pretty heated! and 89civicsi lets calm down and not say we are better than ANYONE ELSE!!!!!!! This isnt dseries or ht!!!!!!! Shocked  Cool
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89dxnuffsaid wrote:
Well thanks guys, appreciated all your help and it was my new distributor it was messed up lol so pretty much I just did a tune up no biggie I needed it anyway, I just swapped the new distributor for the old one,  and check engine went away. =) and was running better than before,   fucken mechanic doesn't know shit probably just wanted to make money off  me. Hard to find a decent mechanic now a days -_- . Well if I pass smog now witch i see why I wouldn't I'm gonna rip that guy a new ass hole.!!!!


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