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bluizzo

spring v. coilovers

so i wanna lower my car and i wanna know if i should put springs(tein s-tech) or coilover sleeves(skunk2). i dunno i wanna know which is better and worth while? i heard good things about both. and also wanted to know which shocks would do good for it also?
JDQCIVIC4DR

i prefer springs, i got coilovers too and drove other cars with complete coil overs kits and it doesnt feel like its all stiff compared to springs.just taking sharp hard turns, hitting a bump i feel the whole car shake. coil overs are ok just some times you gotta work on the alignment if one side is off a bit. also it depends what are you planing on doing with your car.
bluizzo

well im gonna keep it stock for a bit cuz its an auto. but i mostly wanna work on its appearance. i wanna keep it my daily driver.
JDQCIVIC4DR

if you buy tein just make sure its the real deal or buy it from a highly reputable shop there are bootlegs. also some ebay coil overs break/ crack may cause an accident.
bluizzo

yea okay. and for shocks what would go good for the teins?
JDQCIVIC4DR

i like agx compared to tokicos blue.
bluizzo

yea i heard alot of ppl say the agx, but im on a budget though.
jkgonzalez3

If your gonna get the Tien's don't get em from ebay cause they are not real.
bluizzo

yea im going to avoid ebay unless i really need to use it. but is there anyone that you know of that sells them cheap? im looking online but if you guys know of someone that i missed. and would stock shocks be okay with them or no?
~Sp33~

I'd prefer the coilovers. That way you're getting a spring and shock combo that has been made and engineered for each other. Most are also height and damper adjustable so you can fine tune your suspension for whatever ride height and stiffness that best suites your driving.
mp_89dx

~Sp33~ wrote:
I'd prefer the coilovers. That way you're getting a spring and shock combo that has been made and engineered for each other. Most are also height and damper adjustable so you can fine tune your suspension for whatever ride height and stiffness that best suites your driving.


I agree with the above. You cant beat the tunability of a good coilover combo. And you can always tune it for watever you want to do whether that be drag, street, autoX or all of them together. Unless you are just absolutely just set on being lowered then I would just go with a good set of springs and struts. Remember also that you get what you pay for.
jkgonzalez3

~Sp33~ wrote:
I'd prefer the coilovers. .


He's not talking about true coilovers but "coilover sleeves" lol
~Sp33~

Oh, i see that now. lol.

Still, i'd prefer to save that little bit harder (or get second hand) for full coilovers.
bluizzo

lol yea. id go full on coilovers if i had the money, but money is low and being jobless is a bitch. so im mostly working on the main things on the car and saving up for a B swap. but coilover sleeves look good to use, but i hear some complain about bouncing and messing up there car, and springs just lower the car a bit. i really love that slammed look on the civic but i dont want to lose the comfort and create damage to the car.
mp_89dx

Well the question is do you want to go full coilovers in the future? If so then why throw money at something that you will be changing out eventually anyway? And if you are saving for a swap that could be more money towards the swap. Every dollar counts no matter how little it may be.
bradpee

arnt springs and sleeves the samething?

anyways, if your going to buy springs and then struts for the springs, its going to cost almost the same as getting a decent set of full coilovers
bluizzo

hm i guess. well i was looking at the ground control set and they didnt look to bad. what do you all think. yay or nay
mp_89dx

Very Happy  Good Choice
bluizzo

since im on a budget the ground control coilover sleeves are 300 w/ shocks. so everyone says the agx are the way to go
Xian

Well... here's the deal.

1- Nothing wrong with coilover sleeves.  GC makes a good, quality product that holds up to use/abuse well.  Going with GC will also let you choose your spring rates.  Often times people with coilovers/sleeves will adjust them way the hell down so the car has a nice "stance".  This is great and all but odds are that the spring rates aren't going to be high enough to keep the car off the bumpstops.  What you get at that point is a car that's riding on the bumpstops over every little bump and surface irregularity.  This coupled with a mediocre shock makes it feel "bouncy".

2- Nothing wrong with drop springs but you should know their advantages and limitations.  Since you can't  adjust the ride height, you're pretty much guaranteed not to be way the hell too low. Most drop springs are progressive rate so they may be a bit smoother on the street. The downside is that you can't choose your spring rate and cant adjust ride height.  Some drop springs also sag over time.

3- GC sleeves will give you wider choice but also more ability to mess things up. FWIW, I use them on my race car and many/most others with Honda's run them.

4- "Real Coilovers" aren't any better than a good set of sleeves and the right shocks.  In many cases, blingy coilovers are pretty shitty shocks coupled with marginal springs but nicely advertised.

5- From what I know about AGX's (this is second hand info... I've never bothered with them), they don't do very well beyond 1-1.5" lower than stock ride height.  They tend to blow and then need replacing.  I've had great luck with Koni's (their adjustable "yellows" in particular).  Buy the right stuff once or run the risk of needing to replace the cheap stuff... as they say, "good stuff ain't cheap and cheap stuff ain't good."

6- Alignment concerns shouldn't be.  When you change the ride height, the toe will also change.  It's not a massive difference but it is enough to chew up tires if you don't get it corrected.  CAMBER DOESN'T KILL TIRES NEARLY AS MUCH AS TOE DOES. Everyone is soooo concerned about camber adjustment just b/c it's the most visible of the alignment options but it's really not a big deal, IMO.  If you get coilover's set the ride height on the sleeves the same at each corner and install everything.  Don't worry about corner weighting the car unless you're going to autocross or race it.  Minor ride height differences from corner to corner aren't worth worrying about.  Remember if you get drop springs, you can't adjust the ride height anyway, right?  When you get your aloignment , they should set it back to within factory specs... this should be fine for you.  If they ask what you want, ask for "Zero toe" front and rear.  Camber isn't adjustable without aftermarket kits and caster (up front) isn't adjustable without a spherical bearing setup and shims.  If you're super concerned about camber in the rear, get some washers and shim out the rear upper control arm to pull out some of the negative camber.  Be careful though as taking camber out of the rear will make the car a bit more loose (prone to oversteer).

Christian
bluizzo

wow this is reallllllly helpful. thank you so so much. ill definitely take what you said in consideration. thank you again
mrnurse

 In many cases, blingy coilovers are pretty shitty shocks coupled with marginal springs but nicely advertised

How does this apply to skunk2 and Ksport? Are these in this category also?

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