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BLU CIVIC

BLU's Sedan

guess i'll make a build thread here.

starting back on 10/5/11 when my hatch got totaled:

From this:



To this:





After dealing with insurance, found my current sedan on CL. 2 friends of mine drove 8 hours to pick it up in November


BLU CIVIC

picture when I finally picked it up and drove it to work




removed home depot lip and installed DA lip, put on the D2s, trunk lip, installed subwoofer, and put in B&M shifter.




BLU CIVIC

month later, clutch messed up.


dunno how that little piece broke


decided that since i had my turbo parts sitting agound, might as well put them to good use


here's everything mocked up



the car came with an ITR trans. so worked out a trade with my buddy for some parts and $$$. His BBS wheels were part of the deal



bought another ST sway bar.
BLU CIVIC

on 3/8/12 finally got it dynotuned





Bad news is that it isn't. Transmission started making noise and halfway through it stopped going into 4th. We accidently put the main bearing in the case on backwards when putting the trans back together.

Was able to buy back my old tunerview that I sold and put it in the same location when it was in my hatch





went for an alignment and was told my inner tie rod was loose and uca needed replacing. so i figure, perfect time to put on my Si steering rack


ordered upper control arms from ebay and new ES tie rod boots. wasn't too had to do. i give installing a steering rack 4/10. don't thing it was my tie rod that was the issue b/c the bolts on my traction bar were loose
BLU CIVIC

did a clean-up of the engine bay

before


after


and headed to dyno day. seemed to have picked up a few ponies with a working trans


http://youtu.be/rY1_-NlGtRY
BLU CIVIC

way back in July of last year picked up some DA brakes so i could take the car to the track. current set-up with Axxis ULT pads would fade after a couple pulls and hard stops. The Axxis ULT pads worked great on the hb, but not so much with the sedan.




took until January for me to make any real progress with them...very lazy with my car


techna-fit ss brake line


es rta bushing pressed it


and carbotech pads


at the moment, none of this is still on the car lol
BLU CIVIC

so back in July I got downsized and on my way to the interview another transmission issue



popped out the axle and saw this


and when we dropped the trans




the good news was that my gears are still good


the culprit


and the carnage



almost 2 weeks later we had it back together again.


was able to reuse the final drive but need another VSS b/c it was stuck in the old case. so needed that and another axle seal
BLU CIVIC

in October, decided I wanted more boost

new headgasket and arp head studs


1bar spring


and this was the final result. the wastegate was only reading 11 or 12 psi, so my tuner shimmed the wastegate spring to get it reading high. the result was the following graph at 13.1psi. sure i could have gotten over 300whp if my downpipe wasn't dented in
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BLU CIVIC

took me forever to take off my old decal, but i got the new decal on


bought some eg floor mats...didn't fit too well, but the OEM ones were trashed. have since gotten rid of them for the Prelude floor mats that i had in my hatch
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and new EDM lower console. now i finally had a place to put my phone and remote


Also got my Wavetrac LSD in back in January



BLU CIVIC

did my first auto-x in March of this year




BLU CIVIC

and that brings me to last week it seems like it's always something. I believe I cracked a ringland in cylinder #4. compression was 200,180,200,60  Sad

notice the catch can, aka old smokey, on start-up. never smoked like this and shouldn't on a cold start-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_DF1oCedFU&feature=youtu.be

so I've considered going back NA. I could have it back on the road by weeks end NA with the following set-up:
-B20 bottom end from my friend - Nippon 11:5:1 pistons, GE LSV kit, New everything (water pump oil pump seals)
-SMSP header from another friend - made for 2.0L b series motors
-My GSR head with S2 intake and 70mm omni throttle. i'd sell the GSR cams and get Buddy Club Spec III cams

but i don't want to go turbo with a B20. I know that i would crack a sleeve or sleeves. so decided to go na b20v. friend of mine built my old B16b back to stellar condition and we should have about the same power. so when we go to road course, we'll be real even with him in his hatch.

picked up the block and some extras on Tuesday



Had my car towed this week to my friends house so we can start taking it apart. would have done it my house, but he has a lot more tools than i do.
HondaJunkie

Excellent thread I really like your hatch and sedan I would love to find myself an Si but they are a dime a dozen. Do you have any videos of your car at the autox event?
89ef2

Come a long way.  Shocked
BLU CIVIC

HondaJunkie wrote:
Do you have any videos of your car at the autox event?


i do but it's horrible. ever since i rooted my phone, video has been real jumpy for some reason
http://youtu.be/WmkK588RAhw
4dred6

N/A  Twisted Evil
~Sp33~

Damn you've had some shitty luck! Love your car.
BLU CIVIC

4dred6 wrote:
N/A  Twisted Evil


don't want NA  Sad

~Sp33~ wrote:
Damn you've had some shitty luck! Love your car.


let me tell you about my hatch  Very Happy

picked it up in 4/08 with a B18a1


10/08 - oil pump among other things destroyed


11/08 - B16b put in


10/09 - Timing belt screwed. happened in the drive way so no damage. rebuit anyway


1/10 - rebuit B16b back in


3/10 - spun bearing


7/10 - started turbo build with B18b


10/10 - everything done, but engine no good


10/10 - buy B18a1


11/10 - tuned and ready to go


10/11 - story ends with a stupid careless driver
89civicracer

DAMN!
Shocked  Shocked
EF4lyf3

Started from a hatchy now your Here!!! lol good luck with everything my friend. shes looking good none the less. B20v is my dream. I was going to sleeve it before anything so I can boost the holy hell out of it haha.
EF4lyf3

A friendly question: Do you let any of these motors go through a "Break in" period before any dynoing or pulls? Spun bearings, blown oil pumps, all of these things can probably be prevented. Just trying to help brotha, No criticism here! Cool
BLU CIVIC

wasn't a need for a break in as none of them had their blocks disassembled. the spun bearing was likely cause by low oil. was at the track and drove off the road to get to where i was camping. the oil pan scraped in the process. next morning started the car. eventually got out and went to the trash can. upon returning to the car, saw oil pouring out the bottom. shut the car off and called my buddy. had to jb weld the pan to get home and then replaced the oil pan. but i believe the damage was probably already done while it was running with low oil

the original LS had a huge dent in the oil pan. the guy i bought the car from had cut springs on it. so i had to drive around like that until i could afford something decent. hit a few bumps/dips. one day the oil light came on. added oil. came on again, stupid me added oil. stayed on and added oil  Rolling Eyes few miles down the road, that was all she wrote. should have checked the oil level before topping it off  Embarassed was like 2 quarts over
EF4lyf3

That will do it! Well im sorry to hear my friend. I too have spun rod bearings before so I feel your pain. Well I wish you the best of luck wit your new build. Hope shes super fast for that track.
4dred6

love that DOH valve cover
BLU CIVIC

4dred6 wrote:
love that DOH valve cover


thanks, was my 1st time doing a valve cover.

took the block apart and this was the damage


ringland between the 1st and 2nd ring on the intake side. piston is cracked on the oil ringland also. going to get the injectors flow testing to see if that's what caused the problem. but on a good note, the cylinder wall was not scarred. looked as good as the other 3 cylinders





so, sold the B20 block to a friend of mine and plan on putting mine back into shape.

ordered Nippon P72 81.5mm pistons and rings


will haverod bolts ordered tomorrow


and for the head, Skunk2 lma's


and Supertech valve seals


as soon as the pistons and rod bolts come in, heading off to the machine shop
89 LX SOHC ZC

Sucks about the piston but at least the block was ok glad to hear that.
stormdrop

glad to hear your keeping this turbo. to be honest seeing this car is making me want to go turbo, but ill need a different dd first. lol
BLU CIVIC

stormdrop wrote:
but ill need a different dd first. lol


yup, that's the first rule in modifying Hondas, or any car; have a back up, or 2 Very Happy

Well there's nothing new to report, just a waiting game now. Block is at the machine shop and waiting for their call. So far, the rebuild has been going well; got the following parts:

Nippon P72 0.5mm overbore pistons
ARP rod bolts
Felpro headgasket and oil pan gasket
New set of NGK BKR7E spark plugs also a set of NGK R5671A-7 racing spark plugs
Golden Eagle magnetic drain plug
PLX AFR wideband with Bosch O2 sensor
Supertech valve stem seals
Skunk2 lost motion assembly
Blox intake manifold stud kit
P2R thermal intake gasket
Honda vtec solenoid gaskets and main seal

injectors should be sent off today or tomorrow. Going to get the engine broken in on the dyno. Still have to find the correct rebuild kit for my front brakes so i can put them on. Since my car won't be driveable, having to put my rotors and pads on my friends car so that the pads can be bed in. Never did it before and Carbotech says it should only take 10-15 mintues.

pic from my part-time job this past saturday. working oak tree at vir in the summer/spring is not as fun as i thought it'd be...the bugs
Embarassed
BLU CIVIC

nothing new to report here  :meh:

picked up my block and rods from the machine shop and dropped it off at my friends house


decided now was a good time to buy a wideband. going to have it hooked up to the tunerview and my tuner is going to wire it so that the cel will come on if it runs lean


picked up a GReddy oil adapter for the pressure sender that i'm also going to hook up to the tunerview


trading my blue valve cover for my friends valve cover with -10an fittings welded in. going to keep the drain-back and put the other 2 plugs back in. may get another catch can with 4 bungs so i can vet the vc and block, but they're not cheap and i don't have much room in the engine bay. oil & water pump as well as valve cover gaskets should be here this week. couple more fitting to buy to complete the catch can set-up. should be put back together soon. haven't seen my car in about a month and ready to drive it again.
EF Sedan Enthusiast

Good stuff  Very Happy
4dred6

EF Sedan Enthusiast wrote:
Good stuff  Very Happy
BLU CIVIC

yup. if i want it to least though, i'm going to have to spring for forged internals. have the 3 good Eagle rods from my old B16b.


just need to order a new rod and then pistons. but that won't happen for a while. if i had the money, i'd be doing that now instead of having to go through this process again  Rolling Eyes
BLU CIVIC

Car looks so sad Sad first time seeing it in about a month


traded my blue valve cover for my friends valve cover with -10an fittings welded in. going to keep the drain-back and put the other 2 plugs back in. may get another catch can with 4 bungs so i can vet the vc and block, but they're not cheap and i don't have much room in the engine bay.


decided i didn't want to put a filter back on the vc, so after reading through a Honda Tuning mag, followed their steps to plug the hole:


hole threaded and plug installed



hardware arrived to finish off the catch can lines


Almost done, just need to paint the spark plug cover a matching shade of blue
4dred6

So that shit comes off just like that, good to know, nice updates tho.
BLU CIVIC

had to use a torch to heat it up. put strips of aluminum on the vc so it wouldn't mess up the paint. the whole removal process takes less than 10 minutes
BLU CIVIC

Finished product


decided to do my strut bar in contrast...kind crooked, but i don't care
EF Sedan Enthusiast

Booster Club  Cool
4dred6

Sweet, hey man aren't those clamps backwards
BLU CIVIC

yeah, you're right. i'll have to change that when i get home
89 LX SOHC ZC

Nice work.
BLU CIVIC

^thanks

4dred6 wrote:
Sweet, hey man aren't those clamps backwards


here we go
4dred6

Nice  Cool
BLU CIVIC

helped my friend sell a lot of parts. in return he gave me his cluster and going to wire it up. test fit it today


relocated the IAT sensor
89 LX SOHC ZC

Good lookin cluster.
4dred6

thats nice, i have my iat sensor on my intake tube.  Smile
BLU CIVIC

yeah, hopefully i can get some more accurate temps. my iat's in the middle of winter were close to 100  Shocked
4dred6

what. it should a bit higher than the ambient temp right?
BLU CIVIC

should, but when the sensor was located on my manifold, they were abnormally high.
BLU CIVIC

well it's together. will have more pics today
stepped on my timing cover and broke the edge off Sad


4dred6

nice  Cool
BLU CIVIC

better pic
4dred6

you work fast  Very Happy
89ef2

Not to shabby. Cool
89 LX SOHC ZC

Sweet man.
BLU CIVIC

thanks. car is out of my hands and at my tuner. hope all good news since i have a track event next week  Neutral


on a side note, got some stuff in for the track  Very Happy


4dred6

make sure to post some pics/vids of the event. thats if you make it. hope you do
89 LX SOHC ZC

That should be fun.
BLU CIVIC

i'll be sure to put my gopro to use.

My tuner making fun of me on facebook Sad apparently my alignment was wayyyyy off and had to stop and fix it. never mind that we forgot to tighten the axle nuts after we put the DA brakes on. so many mistakes while rushing to finish Confused

EF Sedan Enthusiast

Yeah rushing is no bueno.
89 LX SOHC ZC

For sure.
4dred6

x3
BLU CIVIC

well after 5 months, back on the road  Very Happy But I'm without a Tunvewview b/c something happened with the wiring. Hoping to have the problem fixed or I have to buy another  Sad

Well dyno finally got finished but not after some problems with the alignment. got it to where they could do the dyno but alignment was still giving them problems. One of these days I'll be able to get dyno'd without the car having problems while tied down. Dynograph sholws within less than 10hp & 1tq from last dyno, so I'm glad that it all stayed relatively the same. Didn't want more power. Now just need to fix a few issues, give it a good washing, and get ready for this weekend Twisted Evil



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EF Sedan Enthusiast

Hope you get the problem fixed but glad to see it back on the road again  Cool
4dred6

EF Sedan Enthusiast wrote:
Hope you get the problem fixed but glad to see it back on the road again  Cool


X2. good numbers tho.
89 LX SOHC ZC

Nice to see her on the road again.
BLU CIVIC

got one oil leak fixed and i think i have one more. need to get tires and i think that's it

got it wired up tonight, i'll work on mounting tomorrow
4dred6

pic is down, what is it? Tunvewview? gopro?
BLU CIVIC

http://img.photobucket.com/albums...G_20131010_233429_zps801b2c5f.jpg
4dred6

you need a electronic vss right?  how hard is to swap it. i do like wiring.
BLU CIVIC

yeah you do. i used an electric vss from a 92-95 civic. had the wiring diagram from my friends civic when he had it in his car to go by. turns out that hatchback and sedan wiring are different  Rolling Eyes on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the hardest, i give it a 3. i did it and i don't do wiring. hardest part is if it's not working right then you just pull out the manual.

btw, 2 different wiring diagrams for 94-97 and 98+ clusters
89 LX SOHC ZC

Sweet.
BLU CIVIC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhaJn1-cTKU

http://youtu.be/EeT2Og6SUjE





89 LX SOHC ZC

Awesome how did things go?
BLU CIVIC

-Smoked after my second session, most likely due to using the wrong weight oil.
-Started popping out of 5th during my 5th session, found out low trans fluid from my axle not wanting to seat in all the way
-Missed my last session b/c my filter was barely hanging on by one bolt. Didn't want to chance it and have it come off on the track.

Overall, had a great time. Car powered on smooth in every corner and I don't think I could drive the way I was without a lsd with the power I'm making. The only downside is that I have more tire and brakes than what I was used to, so didn't push the car as much as it could. But for my first time on track with this car, I have no complaints.

At the end of the day, I patted my car on the roof and said
EF Sedan Enthusiast

Good stuff man.  I love seeing your sedan on the track.
boosted ef2

Car is looking good..and that looks like alot of fun Very Happy
89 LX SOHC ZC

Sucks to hear you had some issues but at least you had fun and it doesn't sound like anything serious.
BLU CIVIC

yeah, nothing major. Looks like I'll be going to Road Atlanta in December. Gotta replace some bearings in the trans and will be good to go. Hoping to drive Charlotte Motor Speedway next year. Not gonna lie, those banked turns scare me  Confused
FlatTireRacer

Uuff! Banked turns... that's a good way to get a hard on tangled in your steering wheel! I went out with the Bimmer Club at Texas Motor Speedway and they let us up on one of the banks there... Amazing!!! O.O You are going to LOVE it! Feeling G's like that in a car is immeasurably fun!!!  Wink
BLU CIVIC

FlatTireRacer wrote:
O.O You are going to LOVE it! Feeling G's like that in a car is immeasurably fun!!!  Wink


we'll see  Shocked

first decent bath since March. now having to sell my wheels so i can have a better choice of tires for the track Sad


EF Sedan Enthusiast

Looking good dude  Cool
4dred6

looks so clean
BLU CIVIC

put in a Circuit Hero shift extender last week. scratched it putting it on  Sad ah well. first impression while driving is that i should have done this a long time ago



picked up some new seats on Friday


got the passenger side in...sits lower and farther back than stock


here's the final result


also, finally painted my front calipers
EF Sedan Enthusiast

Love those seats  Cool
4dred6

Yea those seats are nice
BLU CIVIC

Just sold the turbo kit, NA this year on the track...will post updates as they happen  Very Happy
~Sp33~

Glad you kept the car atleast  Cool
4dred6

X2
BLU CIVIC

majority of my parts should be here this week with the rest here by the first of next week. maybe running again by next weekend?   Smile

no antics today in the snow since the turbo kit is sold and i don't want to risk hitting anything  Crying or Very sad

4dred6

Sweet pics
BLU CIVIC

thanks

dropped my pistons off this morining to get pressed on...quick turnaround. Piston #4 was cracked in 7 places, #1 in one spot, and #3 in 2 spots.


now, just waiting on my radiator got get here and i'll have everything to put it back together.
EF Sedan Enthusiast

Nice!
BLU CIVIC

Been a while since my last reply. Finished up the car yesterday. Spent 2 hrs chasing gremlins and turns out I didn't put the chip in the ecu all the way in Embarassed  Just need to hit up the exhaust shop and then get tuned. Will get cams eventually.

need to paint the rest of the intake pipe and replace the blue intake tube with a black one


EF Sedan Enthusiast

Least you figured it out.  The bay is looking nice and tidy.
BLU CIVIC

Yeah, but it was frustrating. Had to order a new thermostat housing since we put on an OEM oil cooler. Oil started leaking from it so had to get a new o-ring for it. Was surprised that my local dealer had them in stock. The only other thing I have to get is a pvc valve.
FlatTireRacer

PCV=Positive Crankcase Ventilation  Wink
BLU CIVIC

you know what i meant  Mad
89 LX SOHC ZC

Lookin good BLU.
BLU CIVIC

thanks
BLU CIVIC

finally done...agian:roll: red line is short-ram , no filter. blue line is cai w/ filter




also, new decal for my helmet
89 LX SOHC ZC

Nice.

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