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ksconekiller

Anyone tried 225 width tires on an EF?

Has anyone here seen or tried an EF on 225 width tires?  I'm playing with the idea of getting 225/45R15 tires on the sedan.  I know it's wider than recommended, but I want to know if it fits.  I think that would look totally sweet.
JDQCIVIC4DR

it should fit depends how low your ef is. plus 45 series are way lower then 50- 55. i had 195, 205, 225, 50 series 15 inch slammed with intrax springs and cut DA springs. you'll know if its too big once you make fast turns. if you can fit 18inch rims on a ef 225/45 r15 shouldnt be a problem.
ksconekiller

Right, but I don't want to buy the tires and THEN find out they're too wide.  Waste of money.

I'm fine with 205/50 tires, but when it comes to rubber under the car, I'm a big believer in "wider is better".
Xian

Are you looking for street tires or R-comps?  225/45 15 Hoosier R's will fit.... barely.  The fronts aren't nearly as much trouble as the rears where space is tighter.  Fenders will have to be thoroughly rolled front and rear.  On a 7" wide wheel, you'll need something around a 38mm offset.  I've got zero idea if the 225's will rub on the plastic fender liner but I'd imagine that they would...
ksconekiller

This would be for street tires.  I'll be running a 7" wide wheel, and the offset is 40mm.  I imagine the Hoosier 225 is wider than a street tire 225, but I haven't confirmed that.

The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking I'll stay with a 205/50 tire.  While I like the look of wider tires (like on your IT car, which looks great), I don't think it will be worth the trouble of making them fit.  I'll just get a sticky 205/50 street tire like the Bridgestone RE-01R, Kumho XS, or Toyo R1R.  Thanks for your input.
Xian

FWIW, the 225 Hoosier has approximately the same section width as a 245...  Very Happy   I wouldn't think that making the 225 street tires fit would be too tough... probably have to roll the fenders a bit but it should be pretty easy beyond that.  What street tires are offered in that size?  I remember back when I had my ITR and then swapped EG hatch the options in that size were limited to R-comps only.

FWIW, I seem to remember some of the autoX guys going to a 215/40(??) 16" in the Azenis line.  They were running these on EF chassis cars.  If this is "just" a street car though, I'd stick with the more available 205/50 options out there.
Type-S EF

i have Pnero Zero's in a 225/35 17, no rubbing with skunk 2 springs...but my rear fenders are rolled.
ksconekiller

Xian-- There are a couple street tires offered in that size, namely the Toyo R1R and the Hankook RS2.  It used to be a size exclusive to R-comps, but with the popularity of street tire autocross classes, some manufacturers have made this more uncommon size.

I'm still undecided, but the potential hassle involved with the 225 (mainly on the rears) may persuade me to stick with the more conventional 205/50.
Type-S EF

Nitto   NT-01 ,  Hankook   VENTUS RS-2,  Toyo   PROXES R888, some hoosiers.  in a 15"

Yokohama   s.drive ,  Falken   FK-452   in 17"
Xian

ksconekiller wrote:
Xian-- There are a couple street tires offered in that size, namely the Toyo R1R and the Hankook RS2.  It used to be a size exclusive to R-comps, but with the popularity of street tire autocross classes, some manufacturers have made this more uncommon size.

I'm still undecided, but the potential hassle involved with the 225 (mainly on the rears) may persuade me to stick with the more conventional 205/50.


Cool.  I'm glad to hear there are street tires available in that size now... definitely opens up your options a bit further.

Try pulling up the manufacturer section width specs on the tires... take a look at 205 vs. 225 width.  Really shouldn't be too much. Then look at the section width for a 205 or 225 Hoosier... I'd bet that the 205 Hoosier is about as wide as a 225 street tire.  FWIW, the 205 Hoosier can be run without fender rolling... there's not a ton of room but it fits.  If you roll the rears then you won't have any problems at all.

edit:
Section Widths
225/45 Kook RS2 8.9"
205/50 Kook RS2 8.4"
225/45 Hoosier    9.8"
205/50 Hoosier    8.7"
ksconekiller

I did find someone running 225/50R15 on an EF sedan.  It's tight, but it works.  Looks cool, too.  And even though it's noticeably wider than a 205 street tire, it's much narrower than your 225 Hoosiers.  Also, I'd be running a 45-series tire, so that should make more room.

Xian-- The other thing to look at regarding manufacturers' width measurements is what size rim they used when measuring.  A 205mm tire on a 6" wide wheel is much narrower than the same tire on a 7" wide wheel.  FWIW, most 205 and 225 tires are measured on 6.5 or 7.0 inch wide wheels, so there's not too much variation there.

Mike
~Sp33~

I was running 205's and 215's on my sedan before i got my MR5's. TENACIOUS grip, it was really incredible.
ksconekiller

Yep, I have had the same experience.  My autocross 89 hatch is on 205/50 Falken Azenis, and even though they are not the leading sticky tire, they are excellent.  In the spring, I'll replace those with something fresh and even better, as these tires are almost 2 years old and are past their prime.

The other thing that is in the back of my mind is that there are stickier street tires in a 205 size than in a 225 size.  I will rarely exploit the full potential of this car on the street, so the "best" performing tire is not necessary.  With that being the case, I thought of going with a relatively high performance tire in the wider size to have nice grip AND meaner looks.  The funny thing about this situation is that if I wanted ultimate grip, I would be going with a narrower tire.  The extra width in this case is mostly for looks.
Type-S EF

ksconekiller wrote:
Yep, I have had the same experience.  My autocross 89 hatch is on 205/50 Falken Azenis, and even though they are not the leading sticky tire, they are excellent.  In the spring, I'll replace those with something fresh and even better, as these tires are almost 2 years old and are past their prime.

The other thing that is in the back of my mind is that there are stickier street tires in a 205 size than in a 225 size.  I will rarely exploit the full potential of this car on the street, so the "best" performing tire is not necessary.  With that being the case, I thought of going with a relatively high performance tire in the wider size to have nice grip AND meaner looks.  The funny thing about this situation is that if I wanted ultimate grip, I would be going with a narrower tire.  The extra width in this case is mostly for looks.


R888 not sticky enough for you?
ksconekiller

The R888 is plenty sticky.  In fact, it's not a street tire.  I couldn't effectively use that in the rain, which defeats the purpose of having a daily driver.  Besides, I can buy almost 2 top-notch street tires for the price of one R888.  It's not a practical choice for me.
Type-S EF

my bad, didnt know you were talking a DD tire.

I thought the RS2 was right up there with the Azenis, better in the rain, not as good in the dry.

what tires are you looking at that are stickier, but not a waste to drive on the street?
Xian

ksconekiller wrote:
I did find someone running 225/50R15 on an EF sedan.  It's tight, but it works.  Looks cool, too.  And even though it's noticeably wider than a 205 street tire, it's much narrower than your 225 Hoosiers.  Also, I'd be running a 45-series tire, so that should make more room.


Yeah, I'd stay away from a 225/50 15... too tall of a tire, IMO, and it will hurt gearing.  

Quote:
Xian-- The other thing to look at regarding manufacturers' width measurements is what size rim they used when measuring.  A 205mm tire on a 6" wide wheel is much narrower than the same tire on a 7" wide wheel.  FWIW, most 205 and 225 tires are measured on 6.5 or 7.0 inch wide wheels, so there's not too much variation there.

Mike


Very true.  Believe the 205's were measured on a 6.5" wheel while the 225's were on a 7.5" wheel.  Having them both on a 7" wide wheel should marginaly widen the 205 and narrow the 225 which would make the overall width difference between the two even more neglible. Wink    FWIW, as this isn't apples:apples, the DS Type R drivers are shoehorning 275/35 Hoosier A6's... onto stock 15x6 wheels...  Shocked
Xian

Type-S EF wrote:


R888 not sticky enough for you?


Actually, early reports show that the R888 is a slower tire than their decades old RA-1 design.   Sad
Type-S EF

Xian wrote:
Type-S EF wrote:


R888 not sticky enough for you?


Actually, early reports show that the R888 is a slower tire than their decades old RA-1 design.   Sad


Good to know, but ive never been thrilled by toyo......yet
Xian

I've owned 2 sets of Toyo's (both RA1's) and they do what I bought them to do... which really isn't saying much.  Set #1 was for my driver's school.  They were predictable, wore like iron, and kept the wheels fron shooting off sparks.  They weren't fast and turn in was sloooow compared to the Hoosiers.  Set #2 is full tread and I keep 'em around as a set of Rains.  I've used them exactly twice and, though they aren't as fast as the Hoosier Radial Wets, they're ton's tougher and can stand to be run in intermediate and drying conditions.

In talking with SM racers and a few others, they've all said the new R888 just isn't as fast or as grippy as the old RA-1.  But, hey, at least the new tire wears faster.  Rolling Eyes   I know Toyo must thank God every night that they've got Spec Tire contracts b/c they'd be on their way out of the race tire business otherwise.

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