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5N4FU
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:06 pm    Post subject: Situation Normal  Reply with quote

I bought my 1990 LX sedan with 120K miles on it in 2008 from a older couple who bought it new and only used it as a family car, and it sat covered in a garage for several years. they only wanted $1200 for it and had every receipt for everything done to it from the 1st oil change at the dealer to the new tires that were put on it in 2006 they even had all the manuals.

i dont have any pictures of it because at the time i wasnt into hondas and didnt know what a rare find i had, to me it was just a car that got good gas mileage. it all started with a small car stereo i put in it in 2010, by 2012 i was doing the Iasca trunk class competitions (142.1 db) and from those competitions my interested sparked when i saw a sedan at one, some of those comps bring out tuner ppl and i had no idea that you could do that to these cars.

So i got on google and 10 min later i was on this forum, since i have been slowly doing things to the car, and here are some of the things Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The motor swap was the real big thing so ill run with that. First thing, had to get the D out. i set aside a 3 day weekend thinking i would be driving to work on Monday...


How it looked when i came into the garage, but we have all seen this before


Busted CV boot i didnt know about, that grease was everywhere


Out she goes, ended life with 255K miles and still didnt burn oil. not sure what to do with it but man me and this motor went places


End of the day, took us 6 hours to get the D series out, I had no idea AC had so much crap to it
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now on to the B16a2

the motor came out of a 99 SI and had a rebuild with CTR pistons and Omni Valves and retainers
ACL rod bearings
Hasting piston rings
ARP rod bolts
Clutch dynamics 6-puck clutch
Integra type r flywheel
BDL 70mm throttle body (but is really a 68mm?)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
99 type r tranny with oem lsd
ARP head bolts
Skunk 2 intake manifold  
Knock off 4-1 Header



had to track down some parts to get going, wiring was the big "how the hell do i do this". this build has Obd0 Obd1 and Obd2 on it. the harness took some time, talked to a few different people before i found a guy who knew his shit and could build me one and it works great.

ECU is a USDM P30 that is suppose to have a launch control chip in it and a changed rev limit but until i get to the local shop and dyno/tune it, meh



I went with Hasport mounts along with there Hydro to cable conversion. Heres all the loot in a pile


water pump was being funny so got a shiny new one


the LSD part of the trannie, its a little dark but i assure u there is no bar in there, and never mind that 1/4-20 bolt, just for testing shift linkage Wink


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The night of the swap i had 2 freinds come over and we got a little busy, didnt get alot of pics, had to pull the motor 3 times to get the dent right for the alternator.

but beer in hand we went for it


this is the first drop, i was optimistic we had everything right, after this there was just alot of swearing and drinking.


this is it going in for last time...almost 2 hours later.


all done Smile


car back together
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

before the car was off the jack stands we found a K24 for $500, its a little ruff, been sitting in a body shop for 2 years, not sure what it came out of but it was bolted to a automatic.

I tryed to get all three motors in this pic a B, D and a K but the D is a little hard to see around my friend air whacking off on the K


The K build is a very long term project, maybe a wagovan...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What was your setup when you got a 142?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EF Sedan Enthusiast wrote:
What was your setup when you got a 142?


ah the stereo that is no longer in the car, It almost needs it own build log, i will try to break it down.

The final build was...
Subs: 2 10" Memphis Mojo D3 - 2 ohm voice coils ran up to 4 ohm then paired it brings me to 2 ohm for the amp

Amp: Alpine X power 2400 - put out 2700 watt at 2 ohm. 1350 to each sub

Enclosure: A custom built center slot port box, .75 thick MDF with a 1.5 thick face

Powered by a single Optima Red top in front and a 100 farad kinetik battery at the amps

Tuned for a 42 hrz tone at 8 seconds

theres some other stuff for it but thats the power end of it

Sub


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet your roof was going nuts.  I used to compete back in the day.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it separated the roof from the pillars very early so i drop down the head liner and put foam between the roof and pillars and dynamat the open area between, it no longer makes noise but it looks like the ocean when the bass drops, trunk is also full dynamat. even though the stereo is pulled the dynamat is unremovable

it was amazing to see what bass does to a car when u get in the 140's
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep.  Ever built or sat in 170?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think i have seen anyone do a 170, not in the northwest, the guys in the unlimited wall class i have seen hit the low 160's and they do demo's for people. these are bass tones though, i think music playing i have heard something in the 155's and it makes ur body feel funny for a few min after your out of the rig
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st test drive today, was ruff, error 4 saying the CKP sensor. Car was almost not drivable to the gas station a few blocks away, been doing alot of testing and just have not got it figured out.

Obd2 dizzy on a Obd1 ECU if anyone has any pointers im all ears
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

5N4FU wrote:
1st test drive today, was ruff, error 4 saying the CKP sensor. Car was almost not drivable to the gas station a few blocks away, been doing alot of testing and just have not got it figured out.

Obd2 dizzy on a Obd1 ECU if anyone has any pointers im all ears


Did u check to make sure all of the pins are in the right spot?

obd2 or obd2b?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its obd2 dizzy to a obd1 ecu, C1 and C2 wires are in the B10 and B12 and i did ohm testing on the ckp sensor last night and it checked out. I wonder if timing could throw a code 4
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5N4FU wrote:
its obd2 dizzy to a obd1 ecu, C1 and C2 wires are in the B10 and B12 and i did ohm testing on the ckp sensor last night and it checked out. I wonder if timing could throw a code 4


whenever mine gave me that code i just brought a new dizzy and it always fixed it..but my motors were obd1 so the sensor was in the dizzy not on the pump
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this looks awesome so far. Props on the build thread. I need to get my system game up. Coming soon for sure hahah
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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5N4FU wrote:
its obd2 dizzy to a obd1 ecu, C1 and C2 wires are in the B10 and B12 and i did ohm testing on the ckp sensor last night and it checked out. I wonder if timing could throw a code 4


whenever mine gave me that code i just brought a new dizzy and it always fixed it..but my motors were obd1 so the sensor was in the dizzy not on the pump


i think ur talking about the ckf sensor
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ur right my bad...but the cpk sensor is in the dizzy so burying a new one should fix it if that's the code ur getting
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

u can do a resistance test on the cpk sensor in it by pulling the plug and checking between the cpk positive and cpk negative and there should be between 350 and 550 ohm, and no connectivity for either to a body ground.

this test checks out on mine so it leads me to a wiring issue
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

end of the day, going to get a new ecu to test with.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virgin p28 ecu, no fix code 4 stays
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cleared code 4, bad pin in harness.

there is something wrong with this swap and i dont know what it is, it idles fine and throttle is good and responsive, trouble is when i put the motor under load it is very sluggish, even getting the clutch out in 1st is very hard without stalling, the car shudders very hard then almost dies.

I have the Innovative shift linkage that is for this swap and it went in just fine, seems like i can find 1st to 5th very easy and it goes into reverse, actually reverse is the only gear that works with no trouble

no idea how to progress
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not good.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dipshit move on my part, forgot to put the "Bitch-Pin" in, still had a bolt in it so i was starting in what i assume was 3rd gear. still a few bugs to work out but i took it to the store and back and it drove nice, but i couldn't get Vtec to open, the rpm gets up to 5k ish and it sounds like it hits a rev limit
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

picket up a momo mod.78 steering wheel, NGK hub and NGK hub lock thingy.



took the K24 apart and number 3 cylinder is surper gross and i think the rings are bad in that one.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

got a decent deal on a walbro 255, was a nightmare to install

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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i liiiiike
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dipshit move on my part, forgot to put the "Bitch-Pin" in, still had a bolt in it so i was starting in what i assume was 3rd gear. still a few bugs to work out but i took it to the store and back and it drove nice, but i couldn't get Vtec to open, the rpm gets up to 5k ish and it sounds like it hits a rev limit


many fix's on this. the P30 ecu had a launch control set to around the 5K area, the speedo was not working so it always thought it was in first gear, after the speedo fix still no vtec, just rev out. its on the shelf

P28 ecu works great,  its still virgin, needs to be chip and a base map, dyno pulls are a bit pricey, next month hope to get on one and get this done. at least the vtec works
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

messed my header up pretty bad, and from the impact it messed up the whole exhaust system. Car is not slammed but im low and its never been a problem but this 4-1 header drops down super low. Would love to find a 4-1 that has a different pipe config

notice i had to cut a small slot in the front traction bar just to get it in.

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That sucks dude.  The Momo wheel setup is nice though.


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