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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:23 am    Post subject: 1989 EE5 Real Time 4WD  Reply with quote

Hi there! I'm new here and my name is Tommi. I'm a Honda enthusiast from Finland and quite well-known in the European S2000 scene. You can blame Steve (~Sp33~) for this write-up as he directed me here from CIVIC SEDAN 4WD Facebook page.

After a long search, I found myself a very rare EE5 4WD Civic from the other side of Finland. The European model EE5 was made between 1989 and 1991. Mine is MY89 with VIN JHMEE55600S100012. The sequence number is 100012 but they could start at 100000 or 100001. Anyway, my car could be one of the first. The registration document shows that it was registered in 00.00.1989. It comes with D16A6 SOHC PGM-FI engine and curb weight is 1070 kg. The transmission ratios are as follows:
SL. 4,512
I. 3,384
II. 1,950
III. 1,275
IV. 0,941
V. 0,783
R. 3,000

Final Drive:
Front 4,428
Rear 2,529

The odometer just turned 252000 kms (~157000 miles). I'm the fifth owner of the car. The first owner kept it until 2010 and the next enthusiast had it until last summer. After that it had two owners who only had it for a couple of months and didn't want to invest more in it. Sadly, the previous owner bumped the rear end to something the there are lots of dents around the body. It has also been patch painted quite badly. At first, I'll have to sort out the rust issues. I really wish that the body is salvageable but we'll see that later. I haven't even had time to lift the car and check the underbody. Good news is that it drives like new.







The roof liner is hanging quite badly...


Mishap by previous owner requires a spare rear quarter panel and rear door Sad. You may also see ripped driver's seat




I'll need to sort out these and wheel arches




I called a couple of previous owners and they told me that the underbody is in quite a good condition for a Finnish car that old. Luckily it has been undersealed.


Sorry, I don't have better interior pics yet.


The previous owner had a dog and you can see some marks in the interior. Unfortunately, the original steering wheel is gone it's replaced by smaller tuning model... I don't even dare to open the sunroof as it may be stuck. Drivers electric mirror isn't working but I think that the connector under the door upholstery is loose. It's -15 degrees Celsius outside so I don't want to try to fix it and risk snapping something. Driver's heated seat isn't working either but it must be down to quick fix of the upholstery or disconnected plug. Anyway, I'll buy a spare FWD Civic with a friend of mine and get spare parts from it.

I seem to have no engine bay shots Surprised. I'll sort it out asap. The darkness is my problem on working days. It's dark when I go to work and it's dark when I go back home. Another reason of me being lazy capturing photos is that it's snowy and icy out there. I'd rather spend my time drifting on snow.

My EE5 is in a sorry state and that's why I call it "Rotisko". The English translation of it could be clunker Very Happy. It's an opposite of my S2000 Cool.

PS. Three friends of mine have an EE5 and one has EE4. I wish to see all of them on HCoF (Honda Club of Finland) icetrack days in late! There are tops 5 EE5s in Finland and not many in Europe.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So awesome, I love the front bumper guards! Welcome!
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So awesome, Welcome!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad Steve directed you our way.  Love your sedan even in the condition it's in.  I have the headlight washer kit if you're interested.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you made it over here mate! Thanks for posting up, the more 4wd sedans the merrier.  Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. I don't want to invest much on this so no need for headlight washer kit. I'd rather fill the holes in case they start to bother me.

I noticed an interesting thing the other day. There's no engine code stamped on my VIN plate. There's just the chassis code. I only found D16A and engine number from the left side of the exhaust manifold. I was dusty so there might be number six after the D16A but it looks like I have a JDM engine on mine and it's one of the first EE5s that have rolled from the Suzuka factory. I just asked my friends whether they have their engine numbers on the type plate & does it stand D16A6 on the block. I can't wait for their replies!

I also phoned a couple of previous owners. The clutch is done only 20 tkms, the radiator is almost new, the alternator is new, both front driveshaft outer joints changed 1tkm ago, brake pads and shoes almost new.

I'll change the oils soon. Are you guys using 5w-40 or what. I really need 5w as it's -24 degrees Celsius outside at the moment and temperatures of -35 degrees are annual. I'm not going to invest on 0w-40, that's for sure. The gearbox feels quite notchy when cold but improves after a few minutes. There is fresh Liqui Moly fluid in it but I'll try Honda fluids as I've found them the best. MFT-3 should be good for gearbox. Is Hypoid (SAE 90 GL5) the right oil for the rear diff?

The other news is that my front tyre leaks. My front tyres are Chinese brand Wanli (Winter-Challenger) and they're horrible. The rears are Nokian Hakkapeliitta 2 studded tyres. Luckily I have three good old Hakkapeliitta 2s (155/80 R13) lying around. Those tyres are from my long gone 88 Corolla and they're the same size & brand as the rears Very Happy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the site, you have a nice sedan.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing car 4WD CIVIC SEDAN ! Now this is rare !
I like the rare options it has.
Heated front seats !

If you ever part out the car, you can make some good money !

Check out my 88 sedan

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robcrx/sets/
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robb wrote:
Amazing car 4WD CIVIC SEDAN ! Now this is rare !
I like the rare options it has.
Heated front seats !

If you ever part out the car, you can make some good money !

Check out my 88 sedan

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robcrx/sets/


Thanks mate. I could possibly have some heated seats switches and elements from Finnish scrapyards if there's interest.

Your sedan looks very clean indeed! I love the CRX and Civic hatch too. I have a weak spot for CRXs and a friend of mine has had many of them. There are a couple of 4wd converted turbo CRXs in Finland. They're quite rapid. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a closer look at my car on Sunday. The trunk is in surprisingly good condition:




I found the tools and a bushing.


Some rust behind the tools


The tools are a bit rusty Laughing


More rust on the other rear arch


Tyre off, notice the yellow gearbox Shocked


Front wheel arch rust


There seems to be some leak. I just need find out where...




Old and "new" tyre


Confused


Grounding at some point






It's history Very Happy


I'll change the fluids next week: 5w-40 engine oil, MTF-3 for gearbox, Hypoid diff oil, Honda power steering fluid and ATE Super Blue brake fluid. The power steering doesn't work when started cold at temperatures below -15 degrees Celsius. There's some water condensation in the fluid as the power steering starts working after a few minutes of driving.
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Looks like uve got nails in your tyres lol. Never seen a studded tyre before Smile
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It's a must in some parts of the world.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, we all need the front heated seats ! Find that for us !
I also need the rear tail light cover plastics in trunk... in nice shape.
Mine are scratched !
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice car.. would love one of those over here, but, i can only live vicariously through you and Steve.. Smile
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I want awd  Sad
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Cheers guys! The majority of Finns use studded winter tyres. They're prohibited in most of the European contries. Those Nokian tyres are brilliant; they have friction surface and studs on top of it. I have just friction type Nokian winter tyres on my ES5 Civic.

Robb, I could find heated seats from scrapyard but shipping to Canada, for example, is going to cost quite a bit. Sad

4dred6, I feel your pain. I can't imagine my life without 4wd anymore. I don't want to drive my ES5 when it's slippery outside. I prefer snow drifting with 4wd Very Happy. Speaking of drifting, I'm going have an icetrack day on Sunday (track made on a lake) Cool. 89civicracer, I'll upload a few footages to so you can live more vicariously Razz. I'm slightly concerned about the suspension play on the nearside front corner. I think that it's a wheel bearing on its last legs as I can hear it when driving. It could also be something else as the drive is a bit bouncy when cold. However, that could be related to my power steering fluid issue. I wish that the bearing will last until Monday.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have sourced a donor car candidate 300 kms away from me. Use an online translator to translate it in English if you wish. Robb, I don't know whether the tail light covers are present and no idea about condition. I don't even have those covers on my car. It has heated seats and electric windows too. I'd rather wait for a car with 1.6 l engine. However, I like the idea to have a straight rear door in the right colour. It could do until I get the rust and damaged pieces cutted off.

PS. The link may not be valid for long.
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K3Nguru wrote:
I have sourced a donor car candidate 300 kms away from me. Use an online translator to translate it in English if you wish. Robb, I don't know whether the tail light covers are present and no idea about condition. I don't even have those covers on my car. It has heated seats and electric windows too. I'd rather wait for a car with 1.6 l engine. However, I like the idea to have a straight rear door in the right colour. It could do until I get the rust and damaged pieces cutted off.

PS. The link may not be valid for long.


By the looks of those primer patches sprayed onto the car, it looks like it has its own rust issues.

Also facelift tail light covers are different to prefacelift (88-89). For anyone who cares, haha.
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Steve, I'm not sure whether there is facelift on EE5s. They look all the same. What differences should I be able to find? That car has some primer patches but it looks good for Finnish car. Road salt is used widely during the winter time so that's why most of the Finnish cars are rusty.

Some videos of ice track action as promised Very Happy. The videos are hidden so you can't find them without the following links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOaCj8fLX-I

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBBWhFoP4Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA4Kpvltebs

Note. I didn't want to go as fast as possible in the corners. Drifting is much more fun! Mr. Green Sorry about Finnish chat Smile.
PS. Those bikes had a bit more traction because of the huge spikes on their tyres Twisted Evil
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K3Nguru wrote:
Steve, I'm not sure whether there is facelift on EE5s. They look all the same. What differences should I be able to find?


It's possible the 4wd models might have stayed pre facelift. But that silver sedan that you linked is facelift. Most noticeable differences are the tail lights. The bumpers are also larger, and there's a few updates to the interior dash.

Those snow vids are sick! Thanks for sharing.
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Sweet videos
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I haven't had time for updates recently. All the fluids were changed in early February before the second icetrack day.

Wonder why the electric mirror didn't work...


Sloppy damage repair by previous owner


Rust




No engine code


Real Time 4WD disengagement


Some Swedish Laughing

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I changed summer tyres on before Easter and went to countryside with the EE5. I love the SL ratio! You'll (almost) never get stuck!

Before changing the wheels, I noticed clonking sound when driving on uneven surface. It turned out that the front disc bolts were hand tight. I could spin them with my fingertips. Needless to say, that this caused the sound and weird braking feel. Sadly, I destroyed a couple of bolts heads when tightening them. They were soft as f***. No problem with those damn bolts before the wheel bearings were changed.

I also noticed that the NS front drive shaft has some travel. When pressing with hand, it moves inside about 5 cms! OS drive shaft moves just a little too. Any idea of what might be wrong? I had no access under the car so I couldn't inspect it.

I suspect that it's the inner CV joint... All the shock absorbers are dead (not even leaking anymore Shocked) and it has caused quite a big ride height loss. There's some vibration and the ride is a bit harsh. The outer CV joints were already replaced before I bought the car.

The problem with shocks and springs is that Honda Europe has only front springs and shocks left for EE5. You can't get OEM rear springs or shocks anymore. I don't know wheter the shocks are the same with EF chassis but the spring rates of EE5 are definitely higher. IIRC, the EE5 springs are a bit taller too. I can get Bilstein B12 (or was it B14) front and rear shocks but no suitable aftermarket springs. Does anyone know which aftermarket springs do fit? I want to have the original increased ground clearance as I want to get anywhere during the winter. A friend of mine tried EF rear springs and the rear end was way too soft (increased rear axle weight because of rear diff etc. and different subframe). Most of the original rubber bushings seem to be badly worn too.

I wish to start repairing the EE5 at some point before next winter. For summer months, my time and money is tied up in this:


Notice the frozen lake Razz

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Very nice!
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Good looking summer car.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. TBH, I've gone a bit OTT when detailing my S2000. You can find the link to my project thread in my signature.

Back to topic. It looks like I'm going to have a friend helping with welding stuff. I'll sort out the mechanical problems later. Civic is going to hibernation in a couple of days.
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i couldn't deal with all that rust  Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My EF originally had replacement Koni's, but that was years ago.

You could use a replacement rear shock suited for a front wheel drive model, but just use the 4wd spring.
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There is a lot of rust but AWD.  Few and far between.
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Steve, unfortunately I can't get hold of 4wd rear springs. IIRC, Honda Europe has a pair of EE5 front springs and shocks in stock. At least, that's what Honda Finland found out. Could you please check from Honda?

Yeah, too much rust to make it perfect with small amount of money. Mine is just a winter toy for now so my main goal is to pass the annual safety test. In current condition my car wouldn't even pass the test. I wouldn't even dare to push the EE5 (and myself) beyond it's limits on icetrack if the car was a minter. If the EE5 will stay in one piece for a couple of years I'll try my best to restore it.


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